http://wiki.panotools.org/index.php?title=User:Klaus/Improving_Hugin&feed=atom&action=historyUser:Klaus/Improving Hugin - Revision history2013-05-23T15:31:19ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.19.0http://wiki.panotools.org/index.php?title=User:Klaus/Improving_Hugin&diff=11640&oldid=prevKlaus: reply - no offense taken at all2009-07-23T15:57:49Z<p>reply - no offense taken at all</p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>::In practice, I remember a stitch with one lone CP in a corner, which was misaligned by 3 pixels. Finding the sharpness ok, Finetune working fine, CA not spoiling either I now do put this to the deficiency of the (a,b,c) parametrisation in panotools. -- [[User:Klaus|Klaus]] 14:01, 22 July 2009 (UTC)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>::In practice, I remember a stitch with one lone CP in a corner, which was misaligned by 3 pixels. Finding the sharpness ok, Finetune working fine, CA not spoiling either I now do put this to the deficiency of the (a,b,c) parametrisation in panotools. -- [[User:Klaus|Klaus]] 14:01, 22 July 2009 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>::: Sorry, I misunderstood. However, distortion doesn't necessarily need to by rotational symmetric anyway, as shown on [http://www.stoske.de/digicam/Artikel/verzeichnung.html], hence one radial model might be as bad as the other. The panotools model seems one of the most widely used - probably hundreds of thousands of panoramas where stitched using it, and my impression was that Prof. [[Helmut Dersch|Dersch]] choose it deliberately - which doesn't mean of course that it can't be enhanced... <small>--[[User:Erik Krause|Erik Krause]] 19:01, 22 July 2009 (UTC)</small></div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>::: Sorry, I misunderstood. However, distortion doesn't necessarily need to by rotational symmetric anyway, as shown on [http://www.stoske.de/digicam/Artikel/verzeichnung.html], hence one radial model might be as bad as the other. The panotools model seems one of the most widely used - probably hundreds of thousands of panoramas where stitched using it, and my impression was that Prof. [[Helmut Dersch|Dersch]] choose it deliberately - which doesn't mean of course that it can't be enhanced... <small>--[[User:Erik Krause|Erik Krause]] 19:01, 22 July 2009 (UTC)</small></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:::: Recently on hugin-ptx in the thread "What is optimized FOV really?" we discussed lense models and how to compare Bouguet camera model with Dersch/panotools model. Bouguet does introduce non-rotationally-symmetric terms indeed. Choosing three polynomial coefficients is not too stupid, it is only with deeper mathematical insight that  one understands why the even coefficients tend to become zero when one uses "enough" polynomial coefficients. And I do remember that at the time Dersch got hassled not because his model was bad quality, but because others had their inferior software protected by dubious patents. -- [[User:Klaus|Klaus]] 15:57, 23 July 2009 (UTC)</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>* <s>implement orthographic projection (benefits from antialiasing interpolators)</s> <small>implemented in Hugin 0.8.0 [[User:Klaus|Klaus]] 16:51, 21 July 2009 (UTC)</small></div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>* <s>implement orthographic projection (benefits from antialiasing interpolators)</s> <small>implemented in Hugin 0.8.0 [[User:Klaus|Klaus]] 16:51, 21 July 2009 (UTC)</small></div></td></tr>
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</table>Klaushttp://wiki.panotools.org/index.php?title=User:Klaus/Improving_Hugin&diff=11637&oldid=prevErik Krause: apology2009-07-22T19:01:52Z<p>apology</p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>::And there is a practical issue. Of course we are talking of effects at the pixel level, but I did some tests last weekend and found that the (a,b,c) parameter set for my camera lense actually varies if I choose the placement of my Control Points in different ways. Imagine, you were to follow measurement prescription 1 and find a focal length of 50mm, then you follow measurement prescription 2 and find a focal length of 45mm. Exaggerated and simplified analogy, yes, but that is the situation I could confirm with my lense for the (a,b,c) parameter set.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>::And there is a practical issue. Of course we are talking of effects at the pixel level, but I did some tests last weekend and found that the (a,b,c) parameter set for my camera lense actually varies if I choose the placement of my Control Points in different ways. Imagine, you were to follow measurement prescription 1 and find a focal length of 50mm, then you follow measurement prescription 2 and find a focal length of 45mm. Exaggerated and simplified analogy, yes, but that is the situation I could confirm with my lense for the (a,b,c) parameter set.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>::In practice, I remember a stitch with one lone CP in a corner, which was misaligned by 3 pixels. Finding the sharpness ok, Finetune working fine, CA not spoiling either I now do put this to the deficiency of the (a,b,c) parametrisation in panotools. -- [[User:Klaus|Klaus]] 14:01, 22 July 2009 (UTC)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>::In practice, I remember a stitch with one lone CP in a corner, which was misaligned by 3 pixels. Finding the sharpness ok, Finetune working fine, CA not spoiling either I now do put this to the deficiency of the (a,b,c) parametrisation in panotools. -- [[User:Klaus|Klaus]] 14:01, 22 July 2009 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::: Sorry, I misunderstood. However, distortion doesn't necessarily need to by rotational symmetric anyway, as shown on [http://www.stoske.de/digicam/Artikel/verzeichnung.html], hence one radial model might be as bad as the other. The panotools model seems one of the most widely used - probably hundreds of thousands of panoramas where stitched using it, and my impression was that Prof. [[Helmut Dersch|Dersch]] choose it deliberately - which doesn't mean of course that it can't be enhanced... <small>--[[User:Erik Krause|Erik Krause]] 19:01, 22 July 2009 (UTC)</small></ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>* <s>implement orthographic projection (benefits from antialiasing interpolators)</s> <small>implemented in Hugin 0.8.0 [[User:Klaus|Klaus]] 16:51, 21 July 2009 (UTC)</small></div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>* <s>implement orthographic projection (benefits from antialiasing interpolators)</s> <small>implemented in Hugin 0.8.0 [[User:Klaus|Klaus]] 16:51, 21 July 2009 (UTC)</small></div></td></tr>
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</table>Erik Krausehttp://wiki.panotools.org/index.php?title=User:Klaus/Improving_Hugin&diff=11636&oldid=prevKlaus: medium short answer2009-07-22T14:01:09Z<p>medium short answer</p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>: Why that? The formula applies to the radius of the image, which means it is always symmetrical. a and c terms work great to correct for special types of distortion ([[Wavy distortion|wavy one]] f.e.) <small>--[[User:Erik Krause|Erik Krause]] 22:07, 21 July 2009 (UTC)</small></div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>: Why that? The formula applies to the radius of the image, which means it is always symmetrical. a and c terms work great to correct for special types of distortion ([[Wavy distortion|wavy one]] f.e.) <small>--[[User:Erik Krause|Erik Krause]] 22:07, 21 July 2009 (UTC)</small></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::Yes, it does work to some extend, but it is phenomenology only.</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::Mathematically, assuming the lense mapping function to be holomorphic is rather close to reality, without a singularity at r=0. Less stringent, but along the same line is the symmetry argument that flipping the sign, r -> -r, and adding 180 degrees to the angle, ought to give you the same output values. Polar coordinates need special treatment at r=0, but for the sake of reasoning one can go to (x,y) cartesian coordinates. Terms for a and c require sqrt(x^2+y^2), sqrt() has a singularity at 0 but the lense does not, so a<>0 and c<>0 introduce a behaviour the lense does not have.</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::A few days ago we were discussing the equivalence of different camera models on the hugin-ptx list. One has to compare them to (a*r^3+b*r^2+c*r+d)*r and one finds only odd powers of r in these. There must be a reason (but such heuristic argument I would not buy standalone).</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>* <s>implement orthographic projection (benefits from antialiasing interpolators)</s> <small>implemented in Hugin 0.8.0 [[User:Klaus|Klaus]] 16:51, 21 July 2009 (UTC)</small></div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>* <s>implement orthographic projection (benefits from antialiasing interpolators)</s> <small>implemented in Hugin 0.8.0 [[User:Klaus|Klaus]] 16:51, 21 July 2009 (UTC)</small></div></td></tr>
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</table>Klaushttp://wiki.panotools.org/index.php?title=User:Klaus/Improving_Hugin&diff=11635&oldid=prevErik Krause: Not symmetrical?2009-07-21T22:07:17Z<p>Not symmetrical?</p>
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</table>Erik Krausehttp://wiki.panotools.org/index.php?title=User:Klaus/Improving_Hugin&diff=11627&oldid=prevKlaus: globe projection is there now2009-07-21T16:51:17Z<p>globe projection is there now</p>
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</table>Klaushttp://wiki.panotools.org/index.php?title=User:Klaus/Improving_Hugin&diff=10511&oldid=prevKlaus: writing a wish list2008-05-29T12:30:45Z<p>writing a wish list</p>
<p><b>New page</b></p><div>* include antialiasing interpolators<br />
* add a r^4 term to the a*r^3+b*r^2+c*r+d distortion correction (because the r^4 term like b*r^2 has correct symmetry whereas a and c terms are largely unphysical)<br />
* allow simultaneous use of both flatfield polynomial and dustmap file<br />
* implement orthographic projection (benefits from antialiasing interpolators)<br />
--[[User:Klaus|Klaus]] 14:30, 29 May 2008 (CEST)</div>Klaus