Talk:Stitching 2008 State of the Art - Revision history

Klaus: redirect to Talk:How stitching works - contents there now

2008-05-06T12:02:49Z

redirect to Talk:How stitching works - contents there now

Klaus: merge talk pages

2008-05-05T12:09:41Z

merge talk pages

Erik Krause: Talk:How stitching works moved to Talk:Stitching 2008 State of the Art over redirect: revert

2008-05-04T12:40:27Z

Talk:How stitching works moved to Talk:Stitching 2008 State of the Art over redirect: revert

Erik Krause: Talk:Stitching 2008 State of the Art moved to Talk:How stitching works: reworked version of "State of the art..."

2008-05-04T11:43:39Z

Talk:Stitching 2008 State of the Art moved to Talk:How stitching works: reworked version of "State of the art..."

Klaus: /* Overall picture */ add viewing

2008-05-02T23:56:12Z

‎Overall picture: add viewing

Klaus: /* Overall picture */

2008-05-02T23:42:33Z

‎Overall picture

Klaus: New section: Overall picture

2008-05-02T21:48:49Z

New section: Overall picture

Klaus: /* Category */

2008-05-02T15:12:37Z

‎Category

Erik Krause at 18:18, 1 May 2008

2008-05-01T18:18:44Z

Yuval: /* Category */

2008-05-01T12:03:10Z

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-NOTE: '''Talk:How Stitching Works''' and '''Talk:How stitching works''' redirect here.
+#redirect [[Talk:How stitching works]]
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-== Category ==
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-I put this article in the category Info, but I don't know whether this is ok. I'd appreciate, if there where ideas for another or for a new category, where such articles fit better. Suggestions which other articles should be in such a category are welcome, too.
-<small>--[[User:Erik Krause|Erik Krause]] 21:23, 30 April 2008 (CEST)</small>
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-Hmm, I'd say it seems like a school lesson explaining how things work. I can imagine at least 2 subclasses fort this kind: Lessons explaining how it technically works and lessons explaining how to shoot/choose a composition. These are not tutorials, because a tutorial tells you step by step how to do a job. Possible titles for the category that come to mind are: Classroom, Lectures, Primers, Howitworks, Understanding. A native english speaker could probably come up with the word that says it all. So you'd get something like:
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-* Classroom:Stitcher technology
-* Classroom:Panorama photography
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-This page would be in the first category. The second category would be good for e.g. composition tips and tips on setting up your camera.
-<small>--[[User:Serge|Serge]] 13:18, 1 May 2008 (CEST)</small>
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-I'd say it is an introduction to stitching, and the almost top of a pyramid. Prior to it is shooting, and after it is publishing. This one is Stitching. <b>I second Serge's idea</b>. I'm no native language speaker and have no alternative keywords to offer. I'd prefer "HowItWorks".
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-IMO it would make sense to add list of links under each step of the process (remapping, exposure, blending), to
-* related tutorials/"HowTo"
-* more detailed HowItWorks
-* software used or, better, to a comparison of them
-If the above exist.
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-I would <b>remove the time element</b> from it (2008). If a time element is needed, I'd put it into a blog, and just keep here the latest version. Could be interesting to have a "historical" timeline of stitching later on.
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-Last but not least, I'd link this page, once it is the top of the pyramid described above, on the <b>Main Page</b>, where there are three automated site overviews (which I'd rather put in the end, like books have their (automated) index at the end and link this page inside "Working with the Panorama Tools". This page shows to the new reader what advantage he will get if he dwelves into reading the details of the wiki and belongs IMO even before the "Getting started" page.
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-<small>--[[User:Yuval|Yuval]] 14:03, 1 May 2008 (CEST)</small>
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-What does a native speaker think about '''Background'''? Or is '''How it works''' better?
-<small>--[[User:Erik Krause|Erik Krause]] 20:18, 1 May 2008 (CEST)</small>
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-I am certainly happy to have this writeup interlinked with other pages. On purpose I did not mention that I used hugin and enblend for this work, as I thought that it should be a generic write-up. Nevertheless I am happy to have this discussed if one feels to add a footnote telling about the tools used.
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-Regarding the year, I feel it is worth to have this as a snapshot in time (as well). Although I do not mention it, the alignment is to subpixels but not perfect (I believe it is not parallax error). The seam finding of enblend is non-perfect - if one knows where to look on sees an offset in a vertical line. I would not rename this page, but I would be more than happy to have to contents copied to another page. Maybe [[State of the Art Stitching]]? Not 100% sure about the name.
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-Obviously one can complement this page with a (how this was achieved)-page, but that would come close to duplicating the already existing two images tutorials. I also could show the result of the intelligent seam finding and so on, as I do have these images on file back at home.
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-I have added:
- At the time of photography, a few points have been observed
- that make these photos good raw material for proper stitching.
-which should link to concise guidelines of what is necessary - and what not -
-for images to be stitched. Maybe I find some time to start such a page. --[[User:Klaus|Klaus]] 17:12, 2 May 2008 (CEST)
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-== Overall picture ==
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-''I am wondering about a top-of-pyramid page.''
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-Making panoramas is about:
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-*'''Photo Shooting''' - [[Photography Guidelines|How to obtain suitable photos.]]
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-[[Image:Img08232.jpg|120px]] [[Image:Img08231.jpg|120px]]
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-*'''Stitching''' - [[How Stitching Works|The stitching process.]]
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-[[Image:Img0823xstitch6crop.jpg|200px]]
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-*'''Viewing and Publishing''' - What to do with a panoramic image.
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-''So far my thoughts''
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-I have reworked this article into [[How Stitching Works]]. It is the page to show if I want to explain '''how''' stitching works. This page here is if I need to make the point '''why not to use''' simple photoshopping. -- [[User:Klaus|Klaus]] 01:42, 3 May 2008 (CEST)
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-And I note that so far there is no wiki page here called [[Stitching]]. -- [[User:Klaus|Klaus]] 23:48, 2 May 2008 (CEST)
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-== Pages with almost identical content (merged from Talk:How Stitching Works)==
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-Thanks Klaus, for the rework of the "State of the art" page. However, I don't like the idea of having two pages with almost identical content.
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-All recent versions of a page are kept in the wiki database, hence there is no reason to keep two versions of the same page beside each other. You always can link to any older version by an oldid: http://wiki.panotools.org/Stitching_2008_State_of_the_Art&oldid=10281
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-On [[Talk:Stitching_2008_State_of_the_Art#Overall picture]] you mentioned that the pages should serve different purposes. However, I consider it better to have all text in one page, perhaps with a paragraph on what special steps are not available if one uses only photoshop or something like that.
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-Just a note: Wiki page titles are case insensitive only for the first letter. So if the title is "How stitching works" is can be linked easier directly in the wiki text, since you don't need to create a link like <nowiki>[[How Stitching Works|how stitching works]]</nowiki>
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-So I vote for one page named "How stitching works" with all the content from both of the other pages. (I must admit, that i was about to it already, whe I noticed your talk page additions - I reverted the changes again). There can be redirects in order not to break links to "Stitching 2008 State of the Art" and "How Stitching Works"...
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-As for your note that there is no page called "Stitching": I'll create a short page in the glossary category...
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-best regards and thanks again for your contributions!
-<small>--[[User:Erik Krause|Erik Krause]] 14:52, 4 May 2008 (CEST)</small>

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 And I note that so far there is no wiki page here called [[Stitching]]. -- [[User:Klaus|Klaus]] 23:48, 2 May 2008 (CEST)

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 [[Image:Img0823xstitch6crop.jpg|200px]]
-*'''Publishing''' - What to do with a panoramic image.
+*'''Viewing and Publishing''' - What to do with a panoramic image.
 ''So far my thoughts''

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 And I note that so far there is no wiki page here called [[Stitching]]. -- [[User:Klaus|Klaus]] 23:48, 2 May 2008 (CEST)

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	which should link to concise guidelines of what is necessary - and what not -		which should link to concise guidelines of what is necessary - and what not -
	for images to be stitched. Maybe I find some time to start such a page. --[[User:Klaus\|Klaus]] 17:12, 2 May 2008 (CEST)		for images to be stitched. Maybe I find some time to start such a page. --[[User:Klaus\|Klaus]] 17:12, 2 May 2008 (CEST)
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		+	== Overall picture ==
		+
		+	''I am wondering about a top-of-pyramid page.''
		+
		+	Making panoramas is about:
		+
		+	*'''Photo Shooting''' - [[Photography Guidelines\|How to obtain suitable photos.]]
		+
		+	[[Image:Img08232.jpg\|120px]] [[Image:Img08231.jpg\|120px]]
		+
		+	*'''Stitching''' - [[How Stitching Works\|The stitching process.]]
		+
		+	[[Image:Img0823xstitch6crop.jpg\|200px]]
		+
		+	*'''Publishing''' - What to do with a panoramic image.
		+
		+	''So far my thoughts''
		+	----
		+	And I note that so far there is no wiki page here called [[Stitching]]. -- [[User:Klaus\|Klaus]] 23:48, 2 May 2008 (CEST)

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	What does a native speaker think about '''Background'''? Or is '''How it works''' better?		What does a native speaker think about '''Background'''? Or is '''How it works''' better?
	<small>--[[User:Erik Krause\|Erik Krause]] 20:18, 1 May 2008 (CEST)</small>		<small>--[[User:Erik Krause\|Erik Krause]] 20:18, 1 May 2008 (CEST)</small>
		+
		+	----
		+
		+	I am certainly happy to have this writeup interlinked with other pages. On purpose I did not mention that I used hugin and enblend for this work, as I thought that it should be a generic write-up. Nevertheless I am happy to have this discussed if one feels to add a footnote telling about the tools used.
		+
		+	Regarding the year, I feel it is worth to have this as a snapshot in time (as well). Although I do not mention it, the alignment is to subpixels but not perfect (I believe it is not parallax error). The seam finding of enblend is non-perfect - if one knows where to look on sees an offset in a vertical line. I would not rename this page, but I would be more than happy to have to contents copied to another page. Maybe [[State of the Art Stitching]]? Not 100% sure about the name.
		+
		+	Obviously one can complement this page with a (how this was achieved)-page, but that would come close to duplicating the already existing two images tutorials. I also could show the result of the intelligent seam finding and so on, as I do have these images on file back at home.
		+
		+	I have added:
		+	At the time of photography, a few points have been observed
		+	that make these photos good raw material for proper stitching.
		+	which should link to concise guidelines of what is necessary - and what not -
		+	for images to be stitched. Maybe I find some time to start such a page. --[[User:Klaus\|Klaus]] 17:12, 2 May 2008 (CEST)

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	<small>--[[User:Yuval\|Yuval]] 14:03, 1 May 2008 (CEST)</small>		<small>--[[User:Yuval\|Yuval]] 14:03, 1 May 2008 (CEST)</small>
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		+	----
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		+	What does a native speaker think about '''Background'''? Or is '''How it works''' better?
		+	<small>--[[User:Erik Krause\|Erik Krause]] 20:18, 1 May 2008 (CEST)</small>

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	This page would be in the first category. The second category would be good for e.g. composition tips and tips on setting up your camera.		This page would be in the first category. The second category would be good for e.g. composition tips and tips on setting up your camera.
	<small>--[[User:Serge\|Serge]] 13:18, 1 May 2008 (CEST)</small>		<small>--[[User:Serge\|Serge]] 13:18, 1 May 2008 (CEST)</small>
		+
		+	----
		+
		+	I'd say it is an introduction to stitching, and the almost top of a pyramid. Prior to it is shooting, and after it is publishing. This one is Stitching. <b>I second Serge's idea</b>. I'm no native language speaker and have no alternative keywords to offer. I'd prefer "HowItWorks".
		+
		+	IMO it would make sense to add list of links under each step of the process (remapping, exposure, blending), to
		+	* related tutorials/"HowTo"
		+	* more detailed HowItWorks
		+	* software used or, better, to a comparison of them
		+	If the above exist.
		+
		+	I would <b>remove the time element</b> from it (2008). If a time element is needed, I'd put it into a blog, and just keep here the latest version. Could be interesting to have a "historical" timeline of stitching later on.
		+
		+	Last but not least, I'd link this page, once it is the top of the pyramid described above, on the <b>Main Page</b>, where there are three automated site overviews (which I'd rather put in the end, like books have their (automated) index at the end and link this page inside "Working with the Panorama Tools". This page shows to the new reader what advantage he will get if he dwelves into reading the details of the wiki and belongs IMO even before the "Getting started" page.
		+
		+	<small>--[[User:Yuval\|Yuval]] 14:03, 1 May 2008 (CEST)</small>